EP. 5: A Visit to the Principal's Office

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When I lock my office door, walk out of the

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building and say I made a difference today, I helped a

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family.I supported a student. I supported an adult in my

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building, maybe on a walkthrough, and I did it on the

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spot because the coaching piece of me never goes away. And I did

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an on the spot model for our teacher maybe walking through, I

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saw some of my walkers are really good teaching and

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learning going on quality lessons being given kids

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learning and excited and engaged. It's when my staff are

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doing all the great things they know how to do, and making a

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difference for kids learning in the end. That's an awesome day.

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That is Paula Jones, Principal of Henry Wilson

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Elementary School in Manchester, New Hampshire, who joins us to

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discuss her career as a teacher and administrator. Join us as

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it's time to Get Schooled with Mr.S

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Hello, and welcome back to another show. My name is Mr. S.

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And today we have a special show lined up for you. It takes a lot

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to be a principal. I've never been a principal. But I've seen

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them come and go over my 20 years in the classroom. And I

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think what makes a really good principal is the ability to

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listen to the students, the teachers, the parents, be able

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to stay balanced, not too high, not too low, but also make the

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leadership decisions that are important for all stakeholders.

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Not all successful teachers do well in administration. I think

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of it as a great offensive coordinator in the NFL finally

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gets that shot as a head coach, but doesn't do well. Because

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while some skills overlap, the principal needs even I think

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even more skill, the ability to let things go ability to manage,

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ability to listen. And I think that is really important skills

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for the principal. It's not the job it was in the 80's when I

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grew up, you just were sent there if you were misbehaving,

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the principal has to be so much instructional leader, coach,

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listener, maybe a little bit of counseling, the ability to take

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care of their staff, but also manage them. It's a lot. And I

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think the job is very demanding and very challenging. And I

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think turnover. Well I know this from my personal experience,

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turnover is higher in administration than it was say

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even 20, even 10 years ago. From a teacher's perspective, I know

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Welcome back, everyone to Get Schooled with Mr. S. And we are

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going to be sent to the principal's office today. But

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that's not a bad thing, because our next guest is a principal

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and so happy that she is with us. Paula Jones, Welcome to get

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school with Mr. S

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Thank you so much for having me.

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Could you tell the audience a little bit about your

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career background in education, you have an interesting

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background I feel.

Paula Jones: 00:04:32

Sure, I actually have to say that all my life I

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wanted to be a teacher. And then when I did my undergraduate, I

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changed my mind and I got an undergraduate degree in

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marketing. And I worked in that field for a little while. And

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then I had the luxury of being laid off from my job and getting

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a year salary and a lump sum and I decided to go back to grad

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school. So at that point, I thought education was the right

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step for me. So I did that and I got my master's degree in

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elementary education. And I embarked in my teaching career

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teaching both first and second grade for a combination of 14

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years, had started my family. And then I decided to foray into

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instructional coaching. So I did that for four years. In another

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district in Massachusetts, I was across five elementary schools,

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all subjects. And then I got a call from a dear friend who said

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there was a principalship opened in my hometown of Danvers,

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Massachusetts. And I took the leap of faith and became a

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principal. And I gladly worked in Danvers for three years, at

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an elementary school there, K to five. And then this year, I

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switched gears still staying a principal, but now I am in

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Manchester, New Hampshire at an elementary school there that is

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inner city. So that kind of brings me to where I'm at today.

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So I've been in education for 20 years, I can't even believe it.

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My 20th year as well, what a 20th year it's been, I

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think of the principal, I still think of the stereotype of the

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80s in the principles where you go when you're bad. But clearly,

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the job description has changed over the decades. How do you see

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the principalship changed over the decades as a principle

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yourself?

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You know, it's funny, because when I think

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back, I was always afraid of the principal, right, you didn't

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want to get sent to the principal's office, you were in

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trouble, they're going to call your mom and dad. And I think

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that stigma is still there somewhat, when it needs to be.

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But I personally work really hard to welcome people into my

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office with an open door policy, I tried to be super present, at

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arrival and dismissal and walk in classrooms to make sure the

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kids see me and they know who I am. And they see a friendly

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face. They see pictures of my kids in my office, they can come

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You know, I say to kids all the time, you can just come to say

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hi, it doesn't have to be you know, the kind of thing where

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you're, you're in trouble. But part of the job too, is that

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unfortunately, because I am that, you know, the last stop,

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so to speak in the school, you know, when something major

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happens, I have to deal with that too. But when you have a

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relationship with a child, it makes that so much easier, and I

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always try to get them back on a positive note, after they've had

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to have, you know, kind of, let's say, a negative

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interaction. So I see myself as like a, oh boy, I see myself as

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like a helper, I see myself as a leader, I see myself as a role

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model for staff and for students. Um, and you know,

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sometimes I need to be the mom to you know, they just need a

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hug sometimes or a high five or, you know, a go get them and, you

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know, be off on their way.

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And this is a K to five school.

Paula Jones: 00:07:36

It is a K to five school. So I have about 438

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students K to five, if we were all in school right now, In our

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hybrid model, I have about 130 kids coming two days, Monday,

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Tuesday and about 140 kids coming Thursday, Friday. And

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then I have probably about 50 kids that come four days a week,

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to the outside world, what is most surprising, what

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would be most surprising about the responsibilities of a

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principal,

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you know, I have this expression that says they

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don't teach you this in principal school. And so my

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first week in my new school, there was a very strong odor of

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gas coming from the gym slash cafeteria. So we had to call 911

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and evacuate the building, thank goodness it was after school. So

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it was just staff to evacuate got everybody out safely. But

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then as the principal, the firemen come and they say to me,

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okay, where's the boiler room? And I looked at them, and I

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said, I have no idea. I don't know where the boiler room is,

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I'm new here. And I don't know what let's go find it. So they,

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you know, we had to go find it. But these are the kinds of

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things that you don't even think about you think of principles

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there, you know, for academics and for discipline and for this,

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but you have to manage an entire building. And so those are the

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types of things that people don't think about and people

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don't think about some of the some of that really sad,

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difficult stories that you hear and you learn about children

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about families. But you also don't always hear about the

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successes too. So I think I see myself as someone who can really

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affect an adult's life as much as I can affect a child's life

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and that's something that I I hold dear and is what keeps me

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happily doing what I'm what I'm doing because it is not as you

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know, an easy job.

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No, it isn't. And that's a great perspective to take

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because I see the principal's chair and I've seen some

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administrators come and go and I think one of the issues

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decisions that you can make can be loved and hated at the same

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time. How do you find a balance you know, when you know you have

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to make a tough call, which will make some happy but maybe not

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others?

Paula Jones: 00:09:50

Correct and I think that um, as any leader, boss,

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manager, that is the case. I think the difference with edge

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keishon is that it's very public, right? Like if I work in

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the private sector, and I don't like something my boss did, I'm

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not going to take to social media about it, I'm not going to

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go on, you know, x, y, z's company page and say, hey, my

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supervisor did this, and I really don't like it, because

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you're likely going to get penalised. And in the world of

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education, you can do that. Our lives are very public, my salary

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is public, my, you know, my profile is public. So it's, it

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can be very difficult because people will openly and publicly

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praise and criticize and you have to know at the end of the

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day, and again, the other thing that keeps me going is that at

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the end of every day, I know I put my head on my pillow at

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night, because I in my heart of hearts, did what was best for

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kids.

Mr. S: 00:10:49

What does a good day look like?

Paula Jones: 00:10:51

Oh, a good day looks like when I can walk out

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of the building, and lock my office door, walk out of the

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building and say, I made a difference today. I know I made

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a difference. Today, I helped a family. I supported a student. I

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supported an adult in my building, maybe on a walkthrough

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and I did it on the spot because the coaching piece of me never

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goes away. And I did an on the spot model for our teacher maybe

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walking through, I saw some on my walkthrough, some really good

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teaching and learning going on quality lessons being given kids

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learning and excited and engaged. And those are the

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things and those things have nothing to do with me. I know I

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said helping a family could be but that could be through my

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social worker, it might not even be directly me. It's when my

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staff are doing all the great things they know how to do and

Paula Jones: 00:11:41

making a difference for kids learning in the end. That's an

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awesome day.

Mr. S: 00:11:45

That's a really good perspective, because I've seen

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principals burn out who wouldn't let go wouldn't delegate to the

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expert, it sounds like you know, what your expert where your

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experts are and what they need to do to be most successful.

Paula Jones: 00:11:58

I would agree with that, Keith, but I also would

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say that it taken me a long time to get there. So like I said,

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the things they don't teach you in principals school, I thought,

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well, I could be an instructional coach across five

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buildings, managing one building can't be that much harder. And I

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spent my first year as a principal chasing my tail. I

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mean, I didn't, you know, teaching evaluations, teacher

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evaluations, managing a building, you know, staff that

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everything I just I was so overwhelmed. And then over the

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next two years, I slowly learned who I could count on and you

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know, who I could lean on and who was willing to take some

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things off my plate. And I kept those experiences with me when I

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went to this job. The difference now in Manchester, New Hampshire

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is that, whoo, I have a lot of staff because we are a

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turnaround school. So we get funding from the state for Title

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One federal funding for Title One and we get funding from the

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state for comprehensive school improvement. So I have to the

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tune of like almost $270,000 at my disposal, which allows me to

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overstate and not overstaffed, but staff adequately. So I have

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a full time assistant principal, who's dedicated just to that and

Paula Jones: 00:13:06

deals with other special education. I have four English

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language teachers, I have four special educators, I have a full

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time instructional coach, a full time reading supervisor, a full

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time math coach. So I have all this help and support. I have a

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guidance counselor, social worker. And now I'm able to form

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this internal leadership team, with some core people that just

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we all have a shared vision. And we are so like minded that this

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school has no place to go but up and it invigorates me and

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excites me, and I just love going to work every day right

Paula Jones: 00:13:38

now.

Mr. S: 00:13:38

That sounds great. I was wondering, obviously running a

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building being new, that's always a challenge. Now you've

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got the COVID era, what additional challenges did the

Mr. S: 00:13:49

COVID era present? How have you chipped away at those?

Paula Jones: 00:13:52

So one of the things I realized in, in my last

Paula Jones: 00:13:55

year in Danvers, when we went fully remote on March 12, I

Paula Jones: 00:14:00

think it was we went remote, we thought it was really going to

Paula Jones: 00:14:02

be for two weeks. And it ended up being obviously a lot longer.

Paula Jones: 00:14:06

But what got me through was the relationships that I built over

Paula Jones: 00:14:09

the three years that I was there, I had no problem picking

Paula Jones: 00:14:12

up my cell phone and calling a parent who I knew had just lost

Paula Jones: 00:14:16

their own parent due to COVID. What can I do? How can we help?

Paula Jones: 00:14:19

How can the community support? Now, I'm going into a situation

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where I got hired at the end of August to start this job. I

Paula Jones: 00:14:26

don't know anybody, that relationship card is gone,

Paula Jones: 00:14:31

essentially. So how do I as a brand new principal, brand new

Paula Jones: 00:14:34

city, brand new school, get to a point where I can, you know,

Paula Jones: 00:14:38

build some trust and it quickly became a feeling engagement

Paula Jones: 00:14:41

piece. I'm doing monthly, sometimes bi weekly zoom

Paula Jones: 00:14:44

meetings at night for any parent who wants to join around certain

Paula Jones: 00:14:47

topics. I'm trying to get out into the community when I can

Paula Jones: 00:14:51

when it's safe. And I'm inviting parents in on a limited basis in

Paula Jones: 00:14:55

small groups to do kind of open door drop ins. But now I have to

Paula Jones: 00:14:59

rely And I think this is part of it to your point that I have to

Paula Jones: 00:15:03

rely on those people that have been there. Because I don't know

Paula Jones: 00:15:05

the families. And I haven't had time to build those

Paula Jones: 00:15:08

relationships, but I'm trying, when, you know, we have, you

Paula Jones: 00:15:12

know, kindergarten registration, and people have to make

Paula Jones: 00:15:14

appointments, I try and make it a point to go down and make sure

Paula Jones: 00:15:16

you know, wear masks and six feet, but I'm visible. And, you

Paula Jones: 00:15:20

know, getting to know the kids because when the kids are

Paula Jones: 00:15:22

excited, and I'll get in their classroom, you know, either go

Paula Jones: 00:15:24

in physically or go into their zoom meet. And I'll say, hey,

Paula Jones: 00:15:27

Mrs. Jones is doing a phone call tonight, I'd love for you to

Paula Jones: 00:15:29

come on and say hi to me, because you know, they're gonna

Paula Jones: 00:15:31

go home be like, Mom, I want to see Mrs. Jones, Mrs. Jones. So

Paula Jones: 00:15:34

even if that's how I have to sneakily get a parent, you know,

Paula Jones: 00:15:37

on the phone for a few minutes, at least they can put a name

Paula Jones: 00:15:39

with their face. And you know, when it gets out once you

Paula Jones: 00:15:42

support somebody, and you're there for them there to tell

Paula Jones: 00:15:45

their friends. And so that's that's kind of where I'm at

Paula Jones: 00:15:48

right now. Just trying to keep building and you know, doing as

Paula Jones: 00:15:50

much as I can to be a part of the community.

Mr. S: 00:15:52

One of the things I see with the COVID era schools as

Mr. S: 00:15:56

the nuts and bolts, the desk placement of signs in the

Mr. S: 00:15:59

hallway, how involved were you with that part with your school?

Paula Jones: 00:16:03

we were very involved. And we there's so I

Paula Jones: 00:16:06

came from a seven school district in Massachusetts to now

Paula Jones: 00:16:10

what 22 School District, there are 17 I think elementary

Paula Jones: 00:16:15

schools in Manchester, New Hampshire. So it's really

Paula Jones: 00:16:18

interesting to me. So it basically was myself and the

Paula Jones: 00:16:21

assistant principal and a few volunteers who, you know, helped

Paula Jones: 00:16:25

teachers with desks, we taped to two yardsticks together so that

Paula Jones: 00:16:28

they equaled six feet, you know, we decided, you know, we showed

Paula Jones: 00:16:31

them how to count the floor tiles because they're each a

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foot and gave them painters tape to mark off a six foot by six

Paula Jones: 00:16:37

foot square, put the desk in the middle, you know, teach the kids

Paula Jones: 00:16:40

the boundaries we spent the week before school started basically

Paula Jones: 00:16:44

doing that clearing out furniture, because you only

Paula Jones: 00:16:47

instead of having 25 kids in the classroom, you would have were

Paula Jones: 00:16:49

having 12 kids in the classroom, putting up the signs deciding,

Paula Jones: 00:16:53

you know, they even made us limit doorways as far as how

Paula Jones: 00:16:56

many kids could congregate at a door. So we had to use every

Paula Jones: 00:16:59

entrance or exit, kindergarten and one door first grade. And

Paula Jones: 00:17:01

this doors I mean, some parents have to pick up at four separate

Paula Jones: 00:17:04

doors, because we're just trying so hard not to mix to reduce the

Paula Jones: 00:17:07

spread. So it was a logistical. It wasn't a nightmare, but it

Paula Jones: 00:17:13

was a logistical mountain that we definitely had to climb, but

Paula Jones: 00:17:16

we made it to the top and, you know, we're still tweaking, like

Paula Jones: 00:17:19

even now we're still trying to bring back some remote classes,

Paula Jones: 00:17:22

you know, and then that affects duty because when you're fully

Paula Jones: 00:17:24

remote teaching, you have a half an hour for lunch, and you have

Paula Jones: 00:17:27

a half an hour for recess. So that extra half an hour I was

Paula Jones: 00:17:31

having those teachers cover their colleagues lunches, but

Paula Jones: 00:17:34

then if they have kids in front of them that goes away. So it's

Paula Jones: 00:17:37

just a domino effect every time we make a change so there have

Paula Jones: 00:17:40

been many weekends that I've spent tweaking schedules and or

Paula Jones: 00:17:44

contact tracing for COVID positives calling families

Paula Jones: 00:17:47

saying you know, child's going to close contact, they can't

Paula Jones: 00:17:50

come to school like it's it's been a lot more on night and

Paula Jones: 00:17:53

weekend than I've ever experienced

Mr. S: 00:17:55

and have some families been reluctant to return Are

Mr. S: 00:17:59

they happy to be back How do you gauge where families are at in

Mr. S: 00:18:02

terms of the return to school?

Paula Jones: 00:18:04

I think it's it's a mix to be honest with you. I

Paula Jones: 00:18:06

think people are either like I want my kid back in school, you

Paula Jones: 00:18:09

know, full time five days, or they're of the camp um, I'm not

Paula Jones: 00:18:15

ready I'm still scared. I'm keeping my child home. And I

Paula Jones: 00:18:19

think like you know, I've said too many parents in the past I

Paula Jones: 00:18:21

have to meet you where you're at and meet you where you're most

Paula Jones: 00:18:24

comfortable because I know even for myself my own family from

Paula Jones: 00:18:28

March until July we did zero takeout I cooked every single

Paula Jones: 00:18:32

meal came from the grocery store because my husband and I didn't

Paula Jones: 00:18:38

know who was touching our food and that was our comfortability

Paula Jones: 00:18:40

level and, but other people eat takeout every day or and never

Paula Jones: 00:18:45

stopped or never stopped going out to eat so it's kind of just

Paula Jones: 00:18:47

where everybody is comfortable.

Mr. S: 00:18:50

My older daughter finally got me to that takeout thing

Mr. S: 00:18:53

because the first couple of months I was very Nope, nope,

Mr. S: 00:18:55

nope, nope. Produce like dad. And then I read that risk poster

Mr. S: 00:18:59

and takeout food was low. I said, Okay, finally so that was

Mr. S: 00:19:03

like my first foray. And maybe the beach was the second one.

Mr. S: 00:19:06

But I still you know, there are still some indoor gatherings I

Mr. S: 00:19:10

say oh, you know, I just tried to be quick in the grocery

Mr. S: 00:19:14

store, things like that. So you're right though there are

Mr. S: 00:19:16

people who are ready to go the day after we close in terms of

Mr. S: 00:19:20

you know, the comfort level with where you're at. It really is

Mr. S: 00:19:24

all over the map even still.

Paula Jones: 00:19:26

I agree. I totally agree. I mean, I we pulled back

Paula Jones: 00:19:30

when the numbers are going up again just my family you know

Paula Jones: 00:19:33

and stop doing takeout again and I stopped actively going to the

Paula Jones: 00:19:36

grocery store and started doing pickup orders again. And again

Paula Jones: 00:19:40

for me, it's all about you know, our bubble. I'm the only one

Paula Jones: 00:19:44

going to work in my house. My husband works from home, my kids

Paula Jones: 00:19:47

are fully remote so I really tried to be hyper vigilant about

Paula Jones: 00:19:51

you know, being masked and hand sanitizing wearing a face

Paula Jones: 00:19:56

shield. I also am the one we have isolation rooms. If kids

Paula Jones: 00:19:59

are experiencing some With reverse airflow, and, and it's

Paula Jones: 00:20:03

either myself or the assistant principal are the only two

Paula Jones: 00:20:05

people who gear up and go in that room. So there have been

Paula Jones: 00:20:08

many times where I've been in a room with a sick child with

Paula Jones: 00:20:12

COVID symptoms. I mean, I have full PPE on but that's scary for

Paula Jones: 00:20:17

me as a mom, you know, as a wife, as a daughter, I don't

Paula Jones: 00:20:20

want to, you know, bring anything home to my family, nor

Paula Jones: 00:20:23

make any of my colleagues or you know, my staff ill. So it's,

Paula Jones: 00:20:26

it's, it's way too heavy on me. But luckily, we've been, we've

Paula Jones: 00:20:31

been very lucky that we haven't had any, you know, major

Paula Jones: 00:20:34

outbreaks, very few students positive very few staff. So I'm

Paula Jones: 00:20:37

thankful for that.

Mr. S: 00:20:38

of course, and I know I'm probably in my maximum

Mr. S: 00:20:42

protective mode, I've got my face sheild, gloves, I got

Mr. S: 00:20:44

plexiglass stands on my desk, and I'm just trying to take it

Mr. S: 00:20:47

seriously because like you can't assume everyone else is. And

Mr. S: 00:20:51

I've seen that,

Paula Jones: 00:20:52

correct.

Mr. S: 00:20:53

How about your biggest accomplishments? at this

Mr. S: 00:20:55

position? What are you most proud of this year?

Paula Jones: 00:20:57

Oh, I am most proud of this year, giving the staff

Paula Jones: 00:21:01

the stability that they've been longing for. They've had quite

Paula Jones: 00:21:06

like three or four principals in the last, you know, six, seven

Paula Jones: 00:21:09

years. And because the school is underperforming, low

Paula Jones: 00:21:16

socio-economic they, they work tirelessly, you have to want to

Paula Jones: 00:21:21

be there. So I'm proud to say that I gave them a unified

Paula Jones: 00:21:25

schedule that allowed them to make room for all the academics

Paula Jones: 00:21:29

they needed, including social emotional time for the kids. I'm

Paula Jones: 00:21:33

proud that I could tell them because of my strong teaching

Paula Jones: 00:21:36

and curriculum background, we have tons of resources at our

Paula Jones: 00:21:39

school because of the money. So you know, one classroom I have

Paula Jones: 00:21:42

been using fountas and Pinnell to teach reading, the next one

Paula Jones: 00:21:45

might have been using Lucy Hawkins to teach reading, the

Paula Jones: 00:21:47

next one might have been using Pinterest to teach reading. And

Paula Jones: 00:21:51

so I could go in and evaluate all that curriculum very quickly

Paula Jones: 00:21:54

and say, we're going to use this, this is what's going to be

Paula Jones: 00:21:56

best for our kids, we're going to use this reading program, we

Paula Jones: 00:21:59

already had math curriculum, we're going to use this for our

Paula Jones: 00:22:01

writing. And we're really going to see kids soar. And we have

Paula Jones: 00:22:06

we've seen, we've seen improvement even in small doses

Paula Jones: 00:22:08

already with our kids. And I'm just proud, I'm proud of the

Paula Jones: 00:22:12

staff, I'm proud of their commitment to their students,

Paula Jones: 00:22:15

and their commitment to doing their bending over backwards and

Paula Jones: 00:22:18

live streaming. And, you know, checking in on kids doing home

Paula Jones: 00:22:21

visits, I've been on home visits every week, since I've, you

Paula Jones: 00:22:25

know, started in this position just to check in on kids and

Paula Jones: 00:22:27

make sure they're safe. And I'm really proud that that, you

Paula Jones: 00:22:31

know, we were able to get this up off the ground in the midst

Paula Jones: 00:22:34

of a pandemic and me being brand new, I just think that it's it's

Paula Jones: 00:22:38

been a beautiful thing to kind of watch, you know, from above.

Paula Jones: 00:22:43

And you know, myself being at the, the head of the ship, but

Paula Jones: 00:22:47

really like I'm, I'm underneath in the back. It's It's not my

Paula Jones: 00:22:52

work. It's it's all the wonderful people that I have,

Paula Jones: 00:22:56

you know, working alongside me that make it make it successful.

Mr. S: 00:23:00

I think with teaching too, like you do, sometimes you

Mr. S: 00:23:03

don't realize that the kid will come back in four or five years,

Mr. S: 00:23:06

" I really liked your class", you did? you know, "now I'm

Mr. S: 00:23:09

going to be a scientist", like, you are? So I think there is

Mr. S: 00:23:12

that, you know, you're moving maybe two, three yards at a

Mr. S: 00:23:15

time. But the impact that you make you find out later down the

Mr. S: 00:23:19

road, I wanted to ask the flip side of the coin. What what do

Mr. S: 00:23:23

you think your greatest challenges are like the uncheck

Mr. S: 00:23:25

boxes? What are you hoping to still accomplish?

Paula Jones: 00:23:28

Yeah, so I think the biggest challenge for us

Paula Jones: 00:23:31

right now is loss of learning for our students, because

Paula Jones: 00:23:36

unlike, you know, my my own children are very motivated at

Paula Jones: 00:23:41

school. And I know not all children are. But when you're in

Paula Jones: 00:23:44

a low socio-economic situation where parents could be working

Paula Jones: 00:23:48

2, 3, 4 jobs, and just to make ends meet and make the rent and

Paula Jones: 00:23:52

work in the service industry, right. So they can't don't have

Paula Jones: 00:23:55

the luxury of working remotely when you're a grocery store

Paula Jones: 00:23:57

cashier or when you're a line cook or whatever other job you

Paula Jones: 00:24:02

have that you can't do remotely. So I worry, the challenge is

Paula Jones: 00:24:07

getting those kids into school so that their parents can go

Paula Jones: 00:24:10

back to can work safely. But also so that the kids can learn

Paula Jones: 00:24:14

because these kids have lost so much learning. So our kids who

Paula Jones: 00:24:20

you know, were already one grade level behind we see two grade

Paula Jones: 00:24:24

levels behind now and how do we catch that up? We can't retain

Paula Jones: 00:24:27

them because a COVID he can't retain a whole grade because

Paula Jones: 00:24:30

what do you do with the incoming grades? So it's gonna be a

Paula Jones: 00:24:33

challenge to think about an incoming third grader just for

Paula Jones: 00:24:37

an example, who's now reading at a really a first grade level

Paula Jones: 00:24:40

because they've had that much regression. How am I going to

Paula Jones: 00:24:43

support my third grade team and making sure that they have the

Paula Jones: 00:24:46

skills to teach the phonics piece which they don't usually

Paula Jones: 00:24:49

have to teach because they already know how to read by the

Paula Jones: 00:24:52

time they're in third grade. And it's not comfortable as a

Paula Jones: 00:24:54

teacher to say when you don't know something? So I think

Paula Jones: 00:24:57

getting kids caught up summer school is going to be huge this

Paula Jones: 00:25:00

year for both special education students, and we have the luxury

Paula Jones: 00:25:03

of offering some summer services to kids who aren't special

Paula Jones: 00:25:07

education. So that's going to be huge. And it's how do we lower

Paula Jones: 00:25:09

them in to do it, right? Because right now they're all tapped.

Mr. S: 00:25:13

Oh, I'm sure. Now I read these posts on social media,

Mr. S: 00:25:16

sometimes the, it's okay, we're in a pandemic. Don't worry about

Mr. S: 00:25:21

the loss of learning. But you wouldn't subscribe to that.

Mr. S: 00:25:24

100%?

Paula Jones: 00:25:24

No, I wouldn't. I'm not worried. I think when a case

Paula Jones: 00:25:29

is different, honestly, Keith is that I look at my own children

Paula Jones: 00:25:32

who are perfectly solidly average, they know how to read,

Paula Jones: 00:25:35

they do their math, they know how to write they love school,

Paula Jones: 00:25:37

the school that I'm at now, and again, not every child is like

Paula Jones: 00:25:41

mine, but not the case. Like I need these kids in school in

Paula Jones: 00:25:45

front of me everyday learning, they need to be learning

Paula Jones: 00:25:47

English, they need to be learning how to read, they need

Paula Jones: 00:25:49

to be learning their letters, they need to learn how to write.

Paula Jones: 00:25:51

So yes, and you know, the social emot ional piece, yes, they will

Paula Jones: 00:25:56

be okay. And we will get them, you know what we can, but it's

Paula Jones: 00:26:02

not, it might be a pandemic, but ultimately, they still need to

Paula Jones: 00:26:05

be able to be a productive citizen. And if we don't catch

Paula Jones: 00:26:08

them before they leave elementary school, you and I

Paula Jones: 00:26:11

both know, the chances of them finishing their schooling is is

Paula Jones: 00:26:15

greatly diminished.

Mr. S: 00:26:16

You're so right about that, that if remediation needs

Mr. S: 00:26:19

to happen at six through eight. That is, it's a tall order, it

Mr. S: 00:26:23

can be done. But if you can capture in the younger grades

Mr. S: 00:26:26

and get the student on a more successful path, their

Mr. S: 00:26:29

confidence grows, and confidence is such a important piece of it

Mr. S: 00:26:32

all too, I think,

Paula Jones: 00:26:33

Right, Like I have a third grader now. And this

Paula Jones: 00:26:35

kid, all he wants to do is be able to read and it will unlock

Paula Jones: 00:26:39

everything for him. If he can just break the code and his

Paula Jones: 00:26:44

teachers working so hard and title ones working with them.

Paula Jones: 00:26:46

But you can just see how bad he wants it. And it's just to me

Paula Jones: 00:26:50

like, and he's one of i have 400 and however many students like I

Paula Jones: 00:26:55

could say that about three quarters of them. But this is

Paula Jones: 00:26:57

just one that I've happened to build a relationship with,

Paula Jones: 00:26:59

because he lashes out when he can't read something. So we

Paula Jones: 00:27:02

spent a lot of time together with him being frustrated, but

Paula Jones: 00:27:05

you know, it will unlock the world literally for this kid.

Paula Jones: 00:27:08

And that there's many stories like that,

Mr. S: 00:27:10

what kind of support network they have, when it's a

Mr. S: 00:27:12

tough day.

Paula Jones: 00:27:13

Wow. So, I'm super lucky to have my assistant

Paula Jones: 00:27:16

principal. She's phenomenal. And you know, I can always walk in

Paula Jones: 00:27:21

and close the door. And there's, there's tissues and chocolate,

Paula Jones: 00:27:24

right, we like to say, and I my, my internal leadership team is

Paula Jones: 00:27:29

wonderful. So they're always a good thing. I have many of two

Paula Jones: 00:27:33

dear friends who are also principals. So that's always

Paula Jones: 00:27:35

nice. One in the same district as me and one in my former

Paula Jones: 00:27:38

district. That's great. And then I'm super lucky that I have a

Paula Jones: 00:27:42

very supportive husband and you know, my family, my kids, my

Paula Jones: 00:27:47

parents. And I'm lucky that my husband is the diabolical

Paula Jones: 00:27:51

opposite of me and is very calm, cool and collected all the time.

Paula Jones: 00:27:54

We like to joke that he barely has a pulse. So when I'm all

Paula Jones: 00:27:58

riled up, he can usually make sense of it and calm me down

Paula Jones: 00:28:01

from you know, his very engineering brain perspective.

Mr. S: 00:28:04

It's good to have one of each in the household, isn't it?

Paula Jones: 00:28:07

Yes, yes, yes, it is. But I think too, you know,

Paula Jones: 00:28:11

we have to, I have to think of I have a lot of obviously a lot of

Paula Jones: 00:28:14

responsibility as teachers and any staff in a school does. But

Paula Jones: 00:28:19

it's I've also become like a personal therapist for my staff,

Paula Jones: 00:28:22

right? When they're, I go around all the time, how are you doing?

Paula Jones: 00:28:25

What can I do for you, um, you know, I bring in treats, I go

Paula Jones: 00:28:29

around once a month with a cart with something sweet on it in

Paula Jones: 00:28:32

the morning and give them you know, water and a treat. And,

Paula Jones: 00:28:35

you know, I'm doing everything I can to kind of boost them. And,

Paula Jones: 00:28:38

you know, we got, we were super fortunate to get everybody brand

Paula Jones: 00:28:41

new technology. So the teacher whose microphone wasn't working,

Paula Jones: 00:28:44

she now has a brand new MacBook Air that we were able to get

Paula Jones: 00:28:48

through grant money. So it's like just those little things to

Paula Jones: 00:28:51

keep people's psyche up. And just, you know, knowing that I

Paula Jones: 00:28:55

have an open door policy and that I'm there for them. If they

Paula Jones: 00:28:57

need me, they can call me and text me anytime, day or night,

Paula Jones: 00:28:59

and I will. But it's daunting. And they're they're getting to

Paula Jones: 00:29:03

the point where they're pretty much burnt right like this. This

Paula Jones: 00:29:09

coming back to school and sign the phase kids in and phase out

Paula Jones: 00:29:12

the live streaming piece, I think will will weigh heavily in

Paula Jones: 00:29:15

a good way on people's psyche and where they're at with their

Paula Jones: 00:29:19

own social emotional piece.

Mr. S: 00:29:21

And 20 years of doing this March is always a tough

Mr. S: 00:29:25

month. COVID are not I mean, I think now it's even more so. But

Mr. S: 00:29:29

it sounds like you have some good mechanisms to your thinking

Mr. S: 00:29:31

about you know, when the teacher sag and how to lift them up. And

Mr. S: 00:29:35

I think that's from as a classroom teacher. such an

Mr. S: 00:29:37

important thing. Sometimes little things mean a lot,

Paula Jones: 00:29:40

right. It's small changes big impact, right? So

Paula Jones: 00:29:44

they've all been introduced to bagel world from Massachusetts.

Paula Jones: 00:29:47

So they've had bagel wild a couple times.

Mr. S: 00:29:49

Nice plug. Did you get that plug in there?

Paula Jones: 00:29:52

Yep. And then last week they got some What did I

Paula Jones: 00:29:56

bring? Oh, I stopped at Kane's donuts and brought doughnuts up

Paula Jones: 00:29:59

and Yeah, I mean, I'm trying to do that I, you know, the my

Paula Jones: 00:30:03

administrative assistant, the assistant principal and myself,

Paula Jones: 00:30:05

we all made a sweet treat right before our February vacation and

Paula Jones: 00:30:08

brought it in individually wrapped to be COVID safe. and

Paula Jones: 00:30:11

inviting everybody to come into the office, you know, socially

Paula Jones: 00:30:13

distance, take what they wanted. And it was a chance for us to

Paula Jones: 00:30:16

say hi, and have a great break. So we're trying to do any little

Paula Jones: 00:30:19

thing that we can. And, you know, and like I said, I say no

Paula Jones: 00:30:24

to a lot. Like we they wanted to pilot a program. And I said, No,

Paula Jones: 00:30:28

we'll wait until, you know, September when, when we're

Paula Jones: 00:30:31

rolling it out. I'm not even asking my teachers, if they want

Paula Jones: 00:30:34

to do that. They don't need one more thing to do.

Mr. S: 00:30:36

And that's great, because teachers, at least in my

Mr. S: 00:30:38

opinion, you've got overachievers, who will do it

Mr. S: 00:30:40

all and not realize they're burnt out until they're way

Mr. S: 00:30:43

burnt out. So it's good. You have those boundaries, you know,

Mr. S: 00:30:46

where that Nope, you're doing a great job, you don't have to

Mr. S: 00:30:49

take this, this and this.

Paula Jones: 00:30:50

Yes. And I've worked really hard at what teams

Paula Jones: 00:30:52

we do have to try and spread the wealth, right? Like nobody's on

Paula Jones: 00:30:55

more than one team. Because you you now classroom teacher, you

Paula Jones: 00:30:58

could be on the multi tiered system of support team, you

Paula Jones: 00:31:01

could be on the project based learning team, you could be on

Paula Jones: 00:31:04

the student support team, you could be on the, you know, I

Paula Jones: 00:31:07

could go on and on and on and on. And so I tried really hard

Paula Jones: 00:31:09

to make a spreadsheet and say, Okay, these people can be on the

Paula Jones: 00:31:13

PBL team, these people can be on that, you know, the MTSS team,

Paula Jones: 00:31:16

and to try and ensure that we were kind of spreading it all

Paula Jones: 00:31:18

out is that no one was being asked to do too much above and

Paula Jones: 00:31:22

beyond

Mr. S: 00:31:22

each day, the last calendar year, I keep thinking

Mr. S: 00:31:25

we're going to be at a better place. And I think slowly we're

Mr. S: 00:31:28

getting there. What are your predictions for the 2021-2022

Mr. S: 00:31:31

school year.

Paula Jones: 00:31:32

So I predict that with the amount of vaccinations

Paula Jones: 00:31:37

that we have going on, and with the proper social distancing and

Paula Jones: 00:31:41

masking that we've we've implemented and done for almost

Paula Jones: 00:31:44

the last year, I see a full five day opening happening in

Paula Jones: 00:31:49

September, I think we will still be masked. And I think that we

Paula Jones: 00:31:53

will still, you know, socially distance, maybe at a reduced

Paula Jones: 00:31:57

three feet. But I think with pleasure, we'll be able to get

Paula Jones: 00:32:00

all kids back into school buildings. And on our way to

Paula Jones: 00:32:05

helping them socially and emotionally, and also getting

Paula Jones: 00:32:10

them academically where they need to be. And we're gonna have

Paula Jones: 00:32:13

to look at what that means. Does it mean pushing back a year's

Paula Jones: 00:32:16

curriculum, and supporting teachers that way? So that's,

Paula Jones: 00:32:20

that's where we're at. I'm optimistic.

Mr. S: 00:32:23

It sounds good. I start to feel that optimism to it's

Mr. S: 00:32:26

like a slow rebuild. And I just think September is gonna be the

Mr. S: 00:32:29

signpost, where, as you say, might not be normal as we knew

Mr. S: 00:32:33

it. But we're getting close in our audience. Paula, do you have

Mr. S: 00:32:37

any advice for teachers who really are down in the dumps,

Mr. S: 00:32:40

and they're not getting the support they need? What would

Mr. S: 00:32:42

you say to the classroom teacher who's working as hard as they

Mr. S: 00:32:45

can but feel kind of down?

Paula Jones: 00:32:47

Yeah, that's tough, because I'm sure it can happen

Paula Jones: 00:32:49

in teaching, especially now, I never thought of it as an

Paula Jones: 00:32:52

isolating profession, but you can feel really isolated right

Paula Jones: 00:32:56

now. So my best advice to you is, hopefully you have a trusted

Paula Jones: 00:33:00

colleague that has become a friend. And make sure you have

Paula Jones: 00:33:03

somebody that you can vent to. And if it's not your

Paula Jones: 00:33:05

administrator, is it you know, an outside friend, a partner, a

Paula Jones: 00:33:11

parent, you know, just somebody close to you. Because what

Paula Jones: 00:33:14

they'll tell you is you're doing the best you can, and you're

Paula Jones: 00:33:17

doing a good job. And you need to keep up the good work.

Paula Jones: 00:33:20

There's an end in sight. You got this, I think it's you just have

Paula Jones: 00:33:24

to, you have to find the little things to be grateful for every

Paula Jones: 00:33:26

day, right? And it could be something so simple as Oh, my

Paula Jones: 00:33:29

goodness, 'no one on my zoom call today'. You know, 'everyone

Paula Jones: 00:33:34

had their cameras on today, all day', like you just got to grab

Paula Jones: 00:33:36

it and just just go with it. Because it is it's tough. It's

Paula Jones: 00:33:39

daunting, but with the end is in sight. And we can do this, you

Paula Jones: 00:33:42

know, we are all in this together, and we're gonna make

Paula Jones: 00:33:44

it happen.

Mr. S: 00:33:44

Great words. Paula, thank you so much for joining us on

Mr. S: 00:33:48

Get Schooled Mr. S, I promise the audience that this would be

Mr. S: 00:33:50

a fun trip to the principal's office, and you really made it

Mr. S: 00:33:53

happen. And I really appreciate you joining us today on the

Mr. S: 00:33:56

program.

Paula Jones: 00:33:57

Thank you so much for having me. It was great.

Mr. S: 00:34:01

Once again, thanks to our guests, Paula Jones for joining

Mr. S: 00:34:04

us on Get Schooled with Mr. S. Now it's time for my "Raise Your

Mr. S: 00:34:08

Hand" portion of the show where we answer listeners questions. I

Mr. S: 00:34:12

feel it's important to hear from parents and teachers around the

Mr. S: 00:34:15

nation and share our collective experiences. So in order for you

Mr. S: 00:34:19

to get in touch with this show, you may tweet us

Mr. S: 00:34:22

@GetSchooled_Pod or e-mail us GetSchooledwithmrs@gmail.com. So

Mr. S: 00:34:31

raise your hand and join the conversation like Roger from New

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York. Roger asks, Mr. S. Last episode, you mentioned a game

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show as an extracurricular activity. How do you incorporate

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educational games into your curriculum?

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The club I ran was password from the old TV show where you're two

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on two your teammate would have a word you would give a one word

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clue. That was a lot of fun. I ran that for many years. In the

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classroom, I'm a math teacher. So I love to play math games,

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with partners with groups. I've done a workshop on educational

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games, I just find that you can tap into students competitive

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spirit, but they're also working cooperatively. As a teacher,

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you're getting done what you need to get done. That is the

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material you're trying to teach. And it's a win win because the

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kids are picking up your material, but they're having fun

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at the same time. So I use various games. And I use a

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raffle ticket system as well and I raffle off bonus points

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homework pass, and other prizes on a monthly basis. So I feel

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that games are a nice way to make the learning fun and

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engaging. So thanks for raising your hand. Roger. If you want to

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